http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 en-US 60 <p><strong>Somali pirates vow to resist assault on super-tanker</strong></p> <p>Does the Saudi have any special forces that similar to the SAS or Seal ?</p> Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:42:42 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8597832 Arapahoe http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <h2 class="">Tuesday, November 11, 2008</h2> <div class=""><a name="1273405823887486576" rel="nofollow"></a> <h3 class=""><a href= "http://informationdissemination.blogspot.com/2008/11/5th-fleet-focus-somalia-piracy-update.html" rel="nofollow">5th Fleet Focus: Somalia Piracy Update</a></h3> <div class=""> <p><a href= "http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cys2T5FgJdo/SRo8uDHvlzI/AAAAAAAAFTs/NXkIXp9lC5w/s1600-h/INSTabar1.jpg" rel="nofollow"></a>Yesterday the AP had <a href= "http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gB7YMEDuCwwY9ncDOtPAkEI4-H2wD94C59NO0" rel="nofollow"><span style= "text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: #336699;">nothing but good news</span></span></a> to report off the coast of Somalia.</p> <blockquote> <p>A multinational force of warships has carved out a narrow shipping corridor off the coast of Somalia that is helping protect merchant vessels from pirate attacks, the force's commander said Monday...<br /> <br /> In a telephone interview from his East African base in Djibouti, Christensen said coalition naval forces were also having success using planes, helicopters and drones to find and track suspect vessels until they can be boarded and searched...<br /> <br /> The multinational force created the shipping channel to better focus its patrols in the vast area. The zone is about 600 miles long and just three to six miles wide. It runs roughly north-south, allowing ships to safely bypass the Somali coast on their way to and from the Red Sea and the Suez Canal.</p> </blockquote> There are also signs of success, although I think it is legitimate to ask if this is also a sign of political failure.<br /> <blockquote> <p>The naval forces have captured six pirate attack teams — around 60 people — since October, Christensen said. But after seizing their weapons and equipment, the sailors must release the bandits at sea to sail back to Somalia because no country has been willing to bring them to trial.</p> </blockquote> But the AP article went on to sound the alarm.<br /> <blockquote> <p>The bandits have already shifted their tactics in response to the patrols, positioning attack teams on the northern and southern ends of the shipping zone to stretch the already thin naval forces, Christensen said.</p> </blockquote> And like clockwork, there were three attacks today, all outside the shipping zone. The first two attacks took place on the northern end of the shipping zone after the vessels had crossed the Suez canal. Both made SOS calls, and in both cases <a href= "http://www.zeenews.com/nation/2008-11-11/482565news.html" rel= "nofollow"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style= "color: #336699;">the Indian Navy responded</span></span></a>.<br /> <blockquote> <p>The Indian warship, which was deployed in the region on October 23 in the wake of rising attacks by pirates on merchant vessels, received an SOS from the Saudi ship at around 1000 hours after a group of pirates surrounded it.<br /> <br /> Marine commandos on board INS Tabar flew out in an armed helicopter and launched an assault on the attackers, who were in five speed boats, forcing them to flee into the Somali waters.<br /> <br /> Even as this operation was on, the warship received a panic call from MV Jag Arnav, a merchant vessel owned by Mumbai-based Great Eastern Shipping Company, with about 20 crew members on board.<br /> <br /> Arnav, a 38,265-tonne bulk carrier, was also ambushed by heavily-armed pirates in speed boats soon after it crossed Suez Canal and was eastward bound, the Indian Navy said here.<br /> <br /> The pirates were firing at the vessel and making attempt to board it.<br /> <br /> The Indian warship, after securing the Saudi ship and escorting it to safety, rushed marine commandos on a helicopter. The commandos engaged the pirates, forcing them to flee into the Somalian waters.</p> </blockquote> Interesting, the Indians have a different RoE than the westerners. Later today, the third ship, a <a href= "http://www.zeenews.com/World/2008-11-11/482560news.html" rel= "nofollow"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style= "color: #336699;">chemical tanker with 23 crew members was hijacked</span></span></a>. For those keeping count, that means there are now 12 vessels held hostage with captured crews numbering over 200.<br /> <br /> This problem will never be solved at sea, it can only be solved on land.</div> <div class="">Lots of action in the High Seas.&nbsp; I believe this is part of CTF 58.&nbsp;....RSN. &nbsp;</div> </div> Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:41:49 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8597460 Arapahoe http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <p>Good way to stop pirates:</p> <p>1. Get a oil tanker or container ship, make it look genuine.</p> <p>2. Have on board some soldiers or navy personnel disguised as civvies.</p> <p>3. Have four Mini Typhoons ready and armed and an Armed Recon Heli on board that is hidden.</p> <p>4. Wait for pirates to come and travel relatively close to land.</p> <p>5. Blast the shit out of them when they come close. If they run, hop on the ARH and mow them.</p> Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:54:53 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8595711 Asian Aussie http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <p>wonder what would happen if a Singaporean ship got shipjacked... i guess the ministry will say "we'll leave it to the appropiate authorities"</p> Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:42:38 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8594826 wonderamazement http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <p>i want be priate also =X</p> Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:41:25 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8594822 youyayu http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <p>There are currently 14 shipped held hostage in Somalia.</p> <p>i heard that the Russian are sending more warship to the coast of somalia.</p> <p>it is sticky because the towns n villages and the warlord along the coast are supporting the raid. Unless u can disarmed those warlord or find other means.</p> <p>I wonder what happen to the Ukarine Tanks? The saudi oil tank&nbsp;imagine if this happen&nbsp;when oil price&nbsp;was at its&nbsp;spike what would be todays oil price be? &nbsp;&nbsp;</p> Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:38:58 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8594815 Arapahoe http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <p>if this continue i think somali will have a mini war with US or some other nation to remove the rebels liao lol</p> Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:38:02 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8593620 sIaN87 http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <p class="" style="margin: auto 0in 11.25pt;">&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p class="" style="margin: auto 0in 11.25pt;">&nbsp;</p> <p class="" style="margin: auto 0in 11.25pt;"><span style= ""><span style="font-size: x-small;">Looks like business are getting better along Somalia coast Pirates boom town, and Pirates are wondering further into the deep. Just wondering if they will shift part of task force 150 to patrol the Somalia coast? Does it means that Singapore Navy can be called upon?</span></span></p> <p class="" style="margin: auto 0in 11.25pt;"><strong style= ""><span style=""><span style="font-size: x-small;">NEW DELHI, India - An Indian naval vessel sank a suspected pirate "mother ship" Wednesday in the Gulf of Aden and chased two attack boats into the night, officials said, in a day of escalating violence in the lawless seas.</span></span></strong></p> <p class="" style="margin: auto 0in 11.25pt;"><strong style= ""><span style=""><span style="font-size: x-small;">Separate bands of pirates seized a Thai ship with 16 crew members and a Iranian cargo vessel with a crew of 25 in the area, where Somalia-based pirates appear to be attacking ships at will, said Noel Choong of the International Maritime Bureau's piracy reporting center in Malaysia.</span></span></strong></p> <p class="" style="margin: auto 0in 11.25pt;">&nbsp;</p> Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:35:49 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8590878 Arapahoe http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <p>the way i see it. afrika is a dark continent. too much fighting and bloodshed. at least with colonialism, you have someone dictating the social order. without it, you have situation like total anarchy in somalia.</p> <p>this is controversial i know but i think they should have a "final solution" for somalia (except for the fact that its politically and morally distasteful) we should just nuke them.</p> <p>solve all the problem. no more mogadishu, no more pirate. no more islamic fundamentalist.</p> Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:13:15 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8461730 sgstars http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <p>the BBC found out that the tanks are to be for the autonomous South Sudan gabrament.. in contravention with the UN dunno what...</p> <p>someone's in a pile of shit..</p> Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:20:21 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8460489 the Bear http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <p>so how's the situation now?</p> Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:17:42 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8460484 wonderamazement http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <p>Should wait until there is no more ships there then "accidentally" drop a fuel air explosive on top of their village. No more village, no more pirates.</p> Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:44:23 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8449651 GIB http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <p>don't destroy the china milk</p> <p>load onto the ship</p> Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:33:20 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8449643 skythewood http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <p>Next time they load on food, give them food that will make them lao-sai. &nbsp;I don't believe they still can shoot straight when they've chionged the toilet for 3-days in a row. MUAHAHAHAHA</p> Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:31:20 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8449640 Shotgun http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Shotgun:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>The problem is those 20 hostages... Storm the ship?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> well not necessary the world have not reach that desperate. unless MY want to show their skills.</p> Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:35:45 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8448639 Arapahoe http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <p>Pay the ransom, save the hostages,&nbsp; pass the tanks to whoever&nbsp;paid ( plus cost of ransom )&nbsp;&nbsp;for &nbsp;it ,&nbsp; pass&nbsp; the ammo&nbsp; to the pirates&nbsp; &amp; neutralise the pirates at a later date.&nbsp;</p> Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:02:55 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8445855 Sepecat http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <p>The problem is those 20 hostages... Storm the ship?</p> Thu, 02 Oct 2008 02:25:36 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8443409 Shotgun http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by wonderamazement:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>"The pirates holding the ship have said they are not interested in the cargo and will release it and the 20 crew members if they are paid a ransom of $20 million in cash. One crew member died, and the pirates attributed the death to natural causes."</p> <p>they ought to be either dumb or dumb. 20 million? pft, given a choice i'd rather pay a few hundred bucks for ammo cost instead.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> that is why they are what they are.....the universal has a place for every kind of characters...... i'll bet the interpol, CIA, KGB already tagged those folks on the shipped just in case the equipment get leaks into the wrong hands.</p> Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:37:19 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8443131 Arapahoe http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Arapahoe:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>well like i said if they can get it unload they can always sell it to a war lord.&nbsp; I think learning is just a matter of time not difficult maybe you can find the english translation on the Web.......ha ha ha</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Yes, put them in the bag please. *looking at the NTUC plastic bag*</p> <p>No bag? I go buy from someone else lor.....</p> Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:20:49 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8441770 parn http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <p>counter negotiate.</p> <p>if you don't release hostage, we will send a bomber plane after you. we will explain all the deaths as natural causes.</p> Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:14:08 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8441762 skythewood http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <p>"The pirates holding the ship have said they are not interested in the cargo and will release it and the 20 crew members if they are paid a ransom of $20 million in cash. One crew member died, and the pirates attributed the death to natural causes."</p> <p>they ought to be either dumb or dumb. 20 million? pft, given a choice i'd rather pay a few hundred bucks for ammo cost instead.</p> Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:11:33 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8441759 wonderamazement http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by parn:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> Do they even know how to use the equipments in the first place?</p> <p>Isn't the manual and instruments going to be in Russian?</p> <p>Got equipments but cannot use also become white elephant you know. <img src="/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/angel.png" alt= "angel.png" /></p> </div> </blockquote> <p>instructions manual for a tank?</p> <p>I always thought that a tank is like a car... you can't change the set up too drastically, 1 lever for each of the left and right track, a gunner will aim the turret and fire it.</p> Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:45:08 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8441711 skythewood http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by parn:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> Do they even know how to use the equipments in the first place?</p> <p>Isn't the manual and instruments going to be in Russian?</p> <p>Got equipments but cannot use also become white elephant you know. <img src="/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/angel.png" alt= "angel.png" /></p> </div> </blockquote> <p>well like i said if they can get it unload they can always sell it to a war lord.&nbsp; I think learning is just a matter of time not difficult maybe you can find the english translation on the Web.......ha ha ha</p> Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:37:58 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8441695 Arapahoe http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <p>there is something called foreign military advisers...its quite prevalent in Africa... anyway nobody willing to do something or there is more to the cargo that meets the eye?</p> Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:20:36 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8441620 Man!x http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Arapahoe:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>wow these time they struck gold....no escort, no guards. Russia is now joining the patrol.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>NAIROBI (Reuters) - Somali pirates have seized a Ukrainian ship carrying more than 30 tanks to Kenya and Russia said on Friday it was sending a warship to combat piracy in the region.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>The U.N. World Food Program said Canada had extended its naval escorts of food aid shipments for another month.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Pirates have captured more than 30 vessels off Somalia this year, making its waters the most dangerous in the world and threatening a globally important shipping lane between Europe and Asia. The gangs seek, and often receive, large ransoms.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>The Mombasa-based East African Seafarers' Assistance Program said the Ukrainian ship, sailing under a Belize flag, was seized on Thursday.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Ukrainian Defense Minister Yuri Yekhanurov, quoted by the news agency Interfax Ukraine, said its cargo included 33 T-72 tanks being sold to Kenya under a legal contract.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>He told reporters in Kiev that the cargo included grenade launchers and ammunition.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>"All this is being sold in full accordance with Ukrainian legislation," Yekhanurov was quoted as saying.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Kenyan government spokesman Alfred Mutua confirmed that the military equipment was destined for Kenya</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Do they even know how to use the equipments in the first place?</p> <p>Isn't the manual and instruments going to be in Russian?</p> <p>Got equipments but cannot use also become white elephant you know. <img src="/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/angel.png" alt= "angel.png" /></p> Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:20:11 +0800 sgforums.com:1164:331835:8441354 parn http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/331835