23/m looking for job in australia got sick and tired working in sg liao....tooo many foreigner worker liao salary wages pull down by those foreigner working china, india, filipino etc....employer will try any way to get rid of u if ya salary are too high....in sg like have to work like none stop employer expect u to work 12hour per day 7 day a week 365day per year 2 rotating shift like no life 1 and give u a fXXXd up increament like 20-40cent WTF.......NNBCCB........surf 2 year national service for wat waste of my time. now apply my 175 visa plan to move to australia.....bo bian this is life..all thx to LKU

I was told by a friend who came back from downunder that they require foreigners to have work secured before they are allowed to stay on in australia.   this friend came back because she could not find any job there

my friend work as a fluit picker for 3 year there $17 p/h

as long you take up the jobs no aussie want to do, shouldn't be hard to get a work permit in your case. what field are you in fatqueenlet ? fluit picker ? same goes for the us and canada too.. no one wants to pick fluits whatever that is, thats why we've got a bunch of mexicans and indians to pick fluits !

$17/hr is good money but taxes are kinda high too and fluit picking is something i don't really want on my resume.

Originally posted by Fatqueenlet:

23/m looking for job in australia got sick and tired working in sg liao....tooo many foreigner worker liao salary wages pull down by those foreigner working china, india, filipino etc....employer will try any way to get rid of u if ya salary are too high....in sg like have to work like none stop employer expect u to work 12hour per day 7 day a week 365day per year 2 rotating shift like no life 1 and give u a fXXXd up increament like 20-40cent WTF.......NNBCCB........surf 2 year national service for wat waste of my time. now apply my 175 visa plan to move to australia.....bo bian this is life..all thx to LKU

Don't think it's easy to find job being a non-citizen in Australia, they protect their own there, unlike Singapore who lets in more foreigners to suppress wages (but does not lead to fall in price levels, instead we get inflation of above 6%).

All the best, hope you find happiness there.

Originally posted by maurizio13:

Don't think it's easy to find job being a non-citizen in Australia, they protect their own there, unlike Singapore who lets in more foreigners to suppress wages (but does not lead to fall in price levels, instead we get inflation of above 6%).

All the best, hope you find happiness there.

 

Right.  That is the reason why my friend return.   They need hairstylists there.

Originally posted by ben1406:

as long you take up the jobs no aussie want to do, shouldn't be hard to get a work permit in your case. what field are you in fatqueenlet ? fluit picker ? same goes for the us and canada too.. no one wants to pick fluits whatever that is, thats why we've got a bunch of mexicans and indians to pick fluits !

$17/hr is good money but taxes are kinda high too and fluit picking is something i don't really want on my resume.

When your pay is high and tax is high, you still get a higher than Singapore salary.

When your pay is low and there are no taxes, you still end up poorer than Australians.

Singapore:

Income per year: SG$12,000
Income Taxes: 0%
GST: 7%
Spending Power After GST: SG$11,160 [SG$12,000 x 93%]

Australia:
(waiter or retail staff based on 3 times earnings of Singaporean only, not 5 times which is the higher bound)

Income per year: AU$36,000
Income Taxes: up to AU$6,000 = AU$0; AU$6,001 to AU$25,000 = AU$2,850; AU$25,001 to AU$36,000 = AU$3,300
Australia Personal Tax Rates
Total Income Taxes: AU$6,150 [AU$ 0 + AU$ 2,850 + AU$ 3,300]
Income after Income Taxes: AU$29,850
GST: 10%
Spending Power After GST: AU$26,865 [AU$29,850 x 90%]

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at least  is worth paying tax in aus compare to sg u dont  know where your tax money go....

i know about the tax systems.. pretty much like canada's. i'm not saying you won't earn more in aus, i'll never get paid what i'm getting now in sg for my current position. it's not easy getting into the service industry overseas, esp in a good restaurant.. i know, i just turned down a Singaporean kid's dream of working in my kitchen.

Wasn't what i was looking for..

Originally posted by qlqq9:

Right.  That is the reason why my friend return.   They need hairstylists there.

If they are short of hairstylist and the citizen population is not able to fill the gap, then I agree with their policy of sourcing for foreign labour.

But in Singapore's case, even if the citizen population is able to fill the gaps, they will still import more foreign labour. So as to force down our low salaried workers' wages, they hope to compete with China in terms of wage cost. Kind of like banging your head against a concrete wall.

Their policy is a failure, as can be seen from the high rate of inflation (6.7% in April 2008) as compared to other similar GDP per capita countries. With the use of so much low wage workers, it's suppose to bring down price levels (e.g. transport, food, retail, energy, etc), instead it led to widespread inflation, obviously the cost savings has not been passed down to consumers.

Originally posted by ben1406:

i know about the tax systems.. pretty much like canada's. i'm not saying you won't earn more in aus, i'll never get paid what i'm getting now in sg for my current position. it's not easy getting into the service industry overseas, esp in a good restaurant.. i know, i just turned down a Singaporean kid's dream of working in my kitchen.

Wasn't what i was looking for..

Simple reason. You are not a CITIZEN in Australia. Citizenship has it's privileges unlike Singapore which is a liability if you are male.

You will only get employed if the particular industry there has a shortage in citizen workers.

as a cnc machinist im getting like $7 sing per hour ot is X 1.5 sunday X2

australia salary wage $20-25 OT x2.....

poo boh
force down our salary and force up HDB prices

Originally posted by Fatqueenlet:

as a cnc machinist im getting like $7 sing per hour ot is X 1.5 sunday X2

australia salary wage $20-25 OT x2.....

Singapore's leaders pride itself in their ingenuity of competing against 3rd world country in terms of wages.

It's like Switzerland, instead of commanding higher wages in terms of it's quality and branding. It decides to import more PRCs to Switzerland to lower the wages and quality of work and life.

Originally posted by maurizio13:

Simple reason. You are not a CITIZEN in Australia. Citizenship has it's privileges unlike Singapore which is a liability if you are male.

You will only get employed if the particular industry there has a shortage in citizen workers.

of course citizenship has it's privileges.. it also depends on you skill trade. i got offered a job in aus for a sous chef position and there are lots of chefs in aus. i don't need or want to be an australian citizen, i'm pretty happy where i am now.. and what does being a citizen has to do anything to my last post ?

please please tolong lor
dun help us any more
just take your salary and enjoy life ok?

somemore cpf lock everything is under control no human right....no freedom force to work like robot.....

Originally posted by Fatqueenlet:

at least  is worth paying tax in aus compare to sg u dont  know where your tax money go....

It's goes into failed acquisitions like Global Crossing, Shin Corp, Optus, Suzhou Industrial Project and Merill Lynch.

Originally posted by ben1406:

of course citizenship has it's privileges.. it also depends on you skill trade. i got offered a job in aus for a sous chef position and there are lots of chefs in aus. i don't need or want to be an australian citizen, i'm pretty happy where i am now.. and what does being a citizen has to do anything to my last post ?

I know that Australia will only allow foreign sourced workers if there is a shortage in that particular skills set, therefore it protects her citizens first before anything else.

You were offered sous chef despite there being abundance is perhaps they forsee a shortage in the future, therefore they employed you to prevent anticipated shortages. It's called foresight, something lacking from our P4P government.

So long as you like it where you are, then it should be fine. Even dwellers in hades has their advantages. Some folks in the Africa, India and China still choose to remain in their country of birth because it's where they have their roots. Where they have their childhood memories, their friends and families.

too bad singapore government dont protects sg citizen when u are jobless do u think LKU will help u....i dont think so....when u are sick no money to see doctor will LKU help u....i guess NO...so how....can only die  but cannot sick

Originally posted by Fatqueenlet:

somemore cpf lock everything is under control no human right....no freedom force to work like robot.....

The rules in Singapore are extremely rigid, akin to robots. There are laws in place for just about everything. No chewing gums, no spitting, no public gathering, no protest.

Robots don't chew gum, Robots don't spit, Robots don't protest, Robots don't gather.

Originally posted by Fatqueenlet:

too bad singapore government dont protects sg citizen when u are jobless do u think LKU will help u....i dont think so....when u are sick no money to see doctor will LKU help u....i guess NO...so hope....can only die  but cannot sick

At least you could be sure of getting medical treatment with the high taxes you pay in Australia.

The best part is, you still end up with higher disposable income after the high taxes in Australia as compared to Singapore.

The thing with the Singapore regime is, they use the profits they get from taxes, invest it in monopolies in Singapore, then when super normal profits is made, they keep it in the government coffers instead of using it to help her citizens.

Originally posted by maurizio13:

If they are short of hairstylist and the citizen population is not able to fill the gap, then I agree with their policy of sourcing for foreign labour.

But in Singapore's case, even if the citizen population is able to fill the gaps, they will still import more foreign labour. So as to force down our low salaried workers' wages, they hope to compete with China in terms of wage cost. Kind of like banging your head against a concrete wall.

Their policy is a failure, as can be seen from the high rate of inflation (6.7% in April 2008) as compared to other similar GDP per capita countries. With the use of so much low wage workers, it's suppose to bring down price levels (e.g. transport, food, retail, energy, etc), instead it led to widespread inflation, obviously the cost savings has not been passed down to consumers.

 

that is the down side when we have a govt whose top priority to run the country is to make $

Originally posted by maurizio13:

I know that Australia will only allow foreign sourced workers if there is a shortage in that particular skills set, therefore it protects her citizens first before anything else.

You were offered sous chef despite there being abundance is perhaps they forsee a shortage in the future, therefore they employed you to prevent anticipated shortages. It's called foresight, something lacking from our P4P government.

So long as you like it where you are, then it should be fine. Even dwellers in hades has their advantages. Some folks in the Africa, India and China still choose to remain in their country of birth because it's where they have their roots. Where they have their childhood memories, their friends and families.

 

well, the world has a shortage for chefs.. they offered me the job because of my culinary training and skills.. not because of the shortage in the future. i'm not bragging or anything here, but i've got offered good positions here in toronto so yeah.

and for some reasons your reply to me seems like i'm working in singapore..

Originally posted by ben1406:

well, the world has a shortage for chefs.. they offered me the job because of my culinary training and skills.. not because of the shortage in the future. i'm not bragging or anything here, but i've got offered good positions here in toronto so yeah.

and for some reasons your reply to me seems like i'm working in singapore..

is it difficult to find job in canada as an engineer (manufacturing) ?